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assassin_of_ni · Jul 10, 2007, 06:36 PM // 18:36

just to add to my previous lengthy post there is a similar issue in WoW with people booting and whatnot namely because of the way guild ranks work. but even more so (and be thankful to all holy hell this cannot happen in GW) youll take your guild into a huuuge long drawn out raid with uber uber rewards. now in a trustful guild the raid or party leader will set loot to free-for-all (meaning anyone can pick up anything...usually used in tight knit guilds where people will reserve items for eachother cause they can actually use them). on the occasion someone will just randomly join a high ranking guild that raids often and become friends enough with them that theyll let this person into the raids. youll do the raid and once your finished with the very last area with the very best loot you now have what we call the ninja looter lol. he runs by, sets his loot button to auto so all he has to do is click the corpse and all the items appear in his inventory, and basically grabs everything. teleports out and leaves the guild.

probably one of the rudest things anyone can do namely for the fact that its because the guild doing the raiding were actually probably going to use these items but this person is just gonna sell them or disenchant them and sell the scraps. now it falls to a question of morality....who was wrong here. the person doing the looting was obviously wrong no matter the circumstances, but the guild leader and the party/raid leader may also be held accountable by everyone else in the raid because theyre the one who invited em into their tight knit group anyways.

so basically when it comes to GW.... the person who may just up and disband the entire guild cause hes a petty bastard is obviously wrong. there are instances where booting someone is very much so called for but when you just start kicking everyone thats just not right. the guild leader can be held responsible for the inconveneince to the other players...maybe cause they were in the process of GvG'ing or HA'ing or doing whatever, but one of the guild leaders responsibilities is of course recruiting, and it cant be helped that there are just some assholes in this game who want nothing more than to just screw with people for stupid petty reasons.

the moral of the story is....either dont promote people unless you know them very very well or promote everyone so no one can be kicked lol.

Rocky Raccoon · Jul 10, 2007, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

If we are going to ban people because they are cruel and spiteless...I want every PuGer banned!

It's the Guild Leader's fault that he became an officer.

When someone joins and guild and builds trust over a period of time for the express reason to wreak havoc with that guild, is not a leadership problem. If we do not trust those we play with to be honest with us the whole guild setup just won't work. When someone dishonestly works to become an officer so they may hurt the people of that guild, how is one to know who might do that. Tell me where is the fault in trying to trust someone who has shown no reason to distrust them.

TheRaven · Jul 10, 2007, 06:43 PM // 18:43

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Originally Posted by assassin_of_ni

the moral of the story is....either dont promote people unless you know them very very well or promote everyone so no one can be kicked lol.

Hmm, didn't think of that one. That would be an interesting guild.

Ok, I'm curious. Are their any officers in high ranked PvP guilds reading this right now? I'm talking about any guilds that are serious about the game. It's more than just a hobby to you, it's serious business. You take your ranking seriously and work hard to earn your guild's place on the ladder or town control. If so, how does your guild handle this problem? Or do you even have the problem in the first place?

P.S. Remind me never to play WOW.

Tijger · Jul 10, 2007, 06:47 PM // 18:47

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Originally Posted by assassin_of_ni

the moral of the story is....either dont promote people unless you know them very very well or promote everyone so no one can be kicked lol.

Quoted for truth.

Oh, on topic, no ban is necessary, just form a new guild with the old members minus the jackass. Problem solved.

Gli · Jul 10, 2007, 06:54 PM // 18:54

Ban. Any spiteful action solely aimed at inconveniencing other players should result in a permanent ban. Would do the game world's of good. I'm totally serious.

assassin_of_ni · Jul 10, 2007, 07:09 PM // 19:09

ide imagine a guild that aims towards high rank or owning towns would be exponentially more tight knit about their officers than the casual kinda guild like my own.

OH WAIT random thought from the kicking cap comment. what about kick privelages? probably easier to implement than a kicking cap and it saves even the lil amount of frustration kicking 5 people in a day can cause. give the leader obviously unlimited kick power (since thats what part of being a guild leader is about) aaand be able to assign privelages to officers.

privelages include:
Ability to invite someone [on/off]
Ability to kick someone [on/off]
Ability to promote [on/off]
Ability to demote [on/off]

this would probably help keep some officers from thinking they can run the guild. also add an additional feature to silence someone in guild or alliance chat. when its not so bad to kick them but when theyre being beligerent ass monkies then its best to just tell em to shoosh lol.

Qual · Jul 10, 2007, 07:34 PM // 19:34

I vote no, intern guild problem...

Rocky Raccoon · Jul 10, 2007, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by Qual

I vote no, intern guild problem...

Please Elaborate.

assassin_of_ni · Jul 10, 2007, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

Please Elaborate.

i think he means no to the OP that they shouldnt be banned and that it is an internal affair of the guild that is probably best dealt with by the guild. just my take on it.

Gli · Jul 10, 2007, 08:11 PM // 20:11

By that philosophy, any dispute between players is an affair between those players and we might as well toss the rules of conduct.

Rocky Raccoon · Jul 10, 2007, 08:27 PM // 20:27

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Originally Posted by assassin_of_ni

i think he means no to the OP that they shouldnt be banned and that it is an internal affair of the guild that is probably best dealt with by the guild. just my take on it.

This is not an issue a guild can really handle in any effective way. Sabotaging peoples game play is not an internal affair, it affects innocent people who did nothing wrong other than to be members of that guild. To say start all over new when you have 50+ members also costs in game gold which you have to pay to re-invite members. I just think that some type of punishment should be invoked, especially when said person proceeds to brag about what he did and has been screen shot doing so.

Diddy bow · Jul 10, 2007, 08:46 PM // 20:46

no, the guild leader gave them the responceibilty and its the officers discression who they kick.

Rocky Raccoon · Jul 10, 2007, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by Diddy bow

no, the guild leader gave them the responceibilty and its the officers discression who they kick.

It was a mass kicking for no good reason other than to disrupt peoples enjoyment of the game. The person then bragged about how he had been planning this from the very beginning. That is not good for anyone who plays the game and is indefensible. If you commit such an act there should be consequences. People keep saying it should be handled within the guild, please tell me how when the person quit as soon as the act was done.

nbajammer · Jul 10, 2007, 09:40 PM // 21:40

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Originally Posted by Diddy bow

no, the guild leader gave them the responceibilty and its the officers discression who they kick.

Guild leaders do not give promoted officers straight faces to wear to get promoted. Being promoted to officer does not give them permission as to whom they kick. Kicking at will, as the case was with us, is griefing and a clear and utter violation of Rules of Conduct #1.

nbajammer · Jul 10, 2007, 09:47 PM // 21:47

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

People keep saying it should be handled within the guild, please tell me how when the person quit as soon as the act was done.

Actually Risky, he didn't leave as soon as the act was done - I kicked him as soon as I logged in (he was offline). Imagine his surprise when next he logged in to find himself guildless.

Nonetheless, such a thing can't be handled within the guild people. We cannot control the behaviors of those who would deceive us. That is why it cannot be the fault of the leader because they don't have a reason to doubt that what they are being told is true. I don't remember who suggested it, but the improvements stated before would clearly help other guilds who have had to go through what we did.

Diddy bow · Jul 10, 2007, 10:05 PM // 22:05

Accually my old guild sufferd the same thing sadley

.The possition of officer is clearly nothing to be handed out at will. That may not be the case with your guild but you cant argue the guild leader promoted the wrong person. Better promotions will surpas banning people imo.

David Lionmaster · Jul 10, 2007, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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Originally Posted by lacasner

I vote ban, 99% of the time there is no good reason for this, the person who did it wants to be a pain in the arse. Well, maybe im just biased cause this happened to one of the guilds im in x.x/

But they did nothing that would qualify as a banable offense. They were just being an ass.

nbajammer · Jul 10, 2007, 10:21 PM // 22:21

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Originally Posted by Diddy bow

Accually my old guild sufferd the same thing sadley

.The possition of officer is clearly nothing to be handed out at will. That may not be the case with your guild but you cant argue the guild leader promoted the wrong person. Better promotions will surpas banning people imo.

That doesn't mean the guild leader in every case knew they were promoting a dishonest, immature person either. Like I said, people who want to do this kind of thing can and WILL keep a straight face until they land in position to carry out their true intent. You absolutely CANNOT pin that on a guild leader who doesn't know the true intent of the person they are promoting. That's the anonymity of the internet at work.

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Originally Posted by David Lionmaster

But they did nothing that would qualify as a banable offense. They were just being an ass.

Re-read Rules of Conduct #1. This would fall under more than one condition, and can also be defined as griefing. Depending on the situation, Anet can easily choose to ban the offender. Whether they do or not, however, is up to Anet themselves. Being an ass still violates RoC #1 when it meets the criteria listed.

lacasner · Jul 10, 2007, 10:50 PM // 22:50

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But they did nothing that would qualify as a banable offense. They were just being an ass.

Subjective your comment is.

assassin_of_ni · Jul 10, 2007, 10:55 PM // 22:55

before i made it a 60 or 90 day wait perdiod for a promotion and even then if i didnt think the person was really deserving of a promotion they still wouldnt get one. and in the same cause i may promote someone earlier if they show true dedication. typically if a person is trying to sabotage a guild theyre not gonna wait 2-3 months to do it nor are they gonna go so far as to meet my criteria of an early promotion....theyll more than likely just leave.